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town. ♪ >> attorney general eric holder. >> on the case in ferguson, missouri. >> his real mission is to ensure the department of justice will conduct its own fair independent investigation. >> at the same time, a grand jury is meeting. >> there have been protesters who have shown up at the courthouse. >> one thing that would empty these streets if there was some sort of indictment. >> not that complicated to determine whether or not a crime has been committed. >> officials have repeatedly expressed worries that the county prosecutor cannot be trusted to fairly prosecute a case like this. >> i have not intention of walking away. >> it's a different dynamic when you're prosecuting a police officer and very community. >> the lives of black males are just as valuable as others. >> we have a black president and black attorney general but at the end of the day, young black males are still being arrested and killed. >> michael browns are happening all over our country. >> it is how white america still views black america. >> we're not out of this yet.
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>> as a local grand jury begins hearing preliminary evidence today attorney general eric holder is in ferguson missouri vowing a full and thorough federal investigation into the police shooting of unarmed teenager, michael brown. a short time ago holder arrived at the local restaurant for lunch where he talked with residents by why he's in the area. >> why would i be any place other than right here and right now to talk to the people in this area who are deserving our attention and we want to help. >> and also want to listen. >> holder also shared a warm moment with a point man for the protest, captain ron johnson. johnson in turn said afterward he feels holder's visit is vital for the community and nation. >> i think it will have a great impact. it will show the people of ferguson and people of st. louis and people of our nation that their voices are heard.
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>> holder just arrived at the fbi field office in st. louis where he'll meet with a justice department contingent on the ferguson case. and that meeting will include 40 fbi agents as well as top civil rights divisions prosecutors in a st. louis post dispatch op-ed, holder said, this is my pledge to the people of ferguson. our investigation into this matter will be full and it will be fair and it will be independent. that justice department investigation is running parallel to the local investigation headed by st. louis county and while holder emphasized the importance of trust between law enrs fomt and public, the fracturing of that trust was evident in the local grand jury, expected to begin hearing evidence in the case today. a crowd of several dozen protesters gathered outside the courthouse in clayton yelling the now familiar chant of hands up, don't shoot. this all comes amid more calls for st. louis county prosecutor
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bob mccullough to recuse himself from the case. critics say his ties to police, numerous family members served in the police department, that those ties hamper his objectivity. his father a police officer was killed in the line of duty by a black suspect. but in a local interview today, mccullough said that all of that, the family backgrounds and father's case only makes him more compassionate towards those who have lost a loved one to violence. >> i know the pain of that and the fact he was a police officer killed in the line of duty had nothing to do with any of that. i know the pain that the brown family is going through right now. >> in a statement last night, governor jay nixon said he will not ask him to recuse himself from the case. joining me now from the university of connecticut, new yorker contributor gelani, in
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many ways he has become the last hope for real justice in this case. what are people asking for at this point? >> well, there's a context that occurs. this hasn't happened in a vacuum. so there has been kind of distrust among members of the african-american community towards the prosecutor, county prosecutor mckulloch for some time. it's also important to recall just two weeks before michael brown was shot, there was a very contentious and bitter primary election that pitted an african-american county executive against a white challenger by the name of steve stinger, the incumbent was a man by the name of charlie dooley. in the election, mr. stinger enlisted the county prosecutor as a supporter who then did an advertisement on his behalf alleging that the
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african-american county executive was corrupt. and that really struck a sour chord with many of the african-american community, already the election was raciallydy advicive. so for this to come immediately on the heels of this, part of the outrage you're seeing out here is from people who did not trust the prosecutor to do the right thing in their estimation from the get-go. >> but, jelani, what would they like to see from the attorney general? >> well, for one, i think people will not be happy if there's not an indictment. they don't trust that mr. mcculloch will bring charges against the officer and talking in the community today, they don't believe there would be a vigorous prosecution even if he were to bring charges. on multiple levels there's distrust for the county prosecutor's office here. >> let me ask you about governor nixon's response. he has sort of dipped in and out of this, if you will.
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not visited the site of the protests. there's been a back and forth between them and county prosecutor regarding the recusal. does he have the confidence of the community? do you get a sense of where they are at as far as their thinking on the governor? >> not at all. not very much i should say. one of the most important things to note, when the governor immersed himself on the scene here and began saying they were going to call off the national guard, initially before that when he announced that captain johnson would be in charge of security, the interesting thing to note was that in the point in the midst of that press conference, there are people who began peppering him with other questions. started talking about school closures and economic development. so what you got from people there, people in the community here was they really felt like the governor did not -- they didn't have the ear of the governor before this and they weren't necessarily a priority even before anything happened with mr. brown.
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i think that there are multiple layers in which they have distrust for the official chances. one other thing i will say. this happens -- you hear people again and again and again bringing up what happened with trayvon martin. that people were actually able to pressure to exert enough pressure that there was an arrest and that mr. zimmerman charged with a crime and acquitted. i think there's really both local statewide and even on some level national distrust. >> new yorker contributor jelani cobb, thank you. joining me now is the host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton. let's talk about what jelani cobb was just saying, the fact there was a trial for george zimmerman and the fact that darrel wilson, the officer who
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shot michael brown and killed him, there is a possibility a distinct possibility he won't be charged with anything. i guess i wonder, do you think attorney general holder's involvement in the federal case will be enough for the community? >> i think there's involvement, if it leads to two things, one that i'm hearing is that of course they would love and really want prosecution. and there's the possibility that if the evidence leads to that, that mr. holder and the federal government would do what they don't want trust the state government will do. they want to see the federal government investigate the local police and local district attorney handling of these cases. let's not forget this story that's out about 2009 case, where a man allegedly was beaten by police and then charged with
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his blood destroyed -- >> government property which was the close of the cops that beat him. if that's true and we've not been able to confirm, it but it's certainly believed by a lot of the community. i've been down there with the families several times now. there's reason they don't trust the local prosecutors and they want to see the federal government investigate. they can investigate whether or not there's been racial disparities and how policing is and deal with policing on a civil level and deal with the officer on a criminal level. >> i -- it's been pointed out and "l.a. times" made a note of it, that eric holder has come in very swiftly on this case. in some ways appears to be locked in an unsteady competition with missouri officials over which if either will prosecute darren wilson first. this is very unusual for the federal government to be -- the federal autopsy has already been released.
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eric holder is in the region. this seems to be not just about ferguson, but about civil rights in america and eric holder's broader sort of agenda as attorney general. >> it should be america's agenda to preserve and protect the civil rights of people. you've got to remember that there's no question michael brown had the civil right to not expect to be killed or shot multiple times. there's no dispute about that by police when he was unarmed and there was no life extenuating circumstance here. we're debating on whether he moved forward or not and most eyewitnesses say it didn't happen. but are we serious here? he never had a weapon. there was no life extenuating circumstances that anyone can figure out that required six bullets. so you at least need to have this brought before a court of law because there's probable
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cause. you must also remember and i heard this over and over again when i was down there, one of the reasons the family and others are talking to people like me, we've been involved with a federal government came in. i was involved in the rodney king case where the city acquitted the police with rodney king and federal government and got to come in with a lot of us and civil rights groups. i was in a lead in a lot of community pressuring where we did get the local prosecutor in new york, not in midwest or south, to step aside and the federal government prosecuted that policeman is still in jail today. that happened 17 years ago. so there is a precedent for this. in many ways they are acting like it's personal to holder, there's a press denlt where the federal government has done this. >> certainly. there's a precedent for racial bias and police profiling and police brutality. let me ask you, you are going to be giving the eulology at
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michael brown's funeral. given all of these other cases that you have worked on and led the charge on, how is this one different? >> this is different because it really is at a time that we have so many cases. eric garner in staten island and case in los angeles of the woman. america is at a demifining mome. as we're there on monday to give our condolences and love and support of a family, that will have a most difficult day in their life, we also must say to america, that as they bury their son, we must bury this whole disparity of justice. there must be a solution where we can question those bad apples if they be proven to be that. they must be proven, in the police department without looking un-american. we're doing it because we really believe in america more than those that want to protect us from bad apples. if you really believe in america, you believe in
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america's ability to be fair in how it dispenses justice. >> reverend al sharpton. thank you as always for your time and thoughts on this. do not forget to catch him tonight on "politics nation", 6:00 p.m. eastern. >> after the break, this afternoon president obama delivered a forceful statement about the slaughter of an american photo journalists, center for american progress discuss the reign of terror in iraq and syria next on "now." and asked for less. there's a reason it's called an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon.
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today the entire world is appalled by the brutal matterer jim foley by isil, he was a son,
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a brother and a friend. isil speaks for no religion. their victims are overwemingly muslim and no faith teaches people to massacre innocence. no just god would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day. the united states of america will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. we will be vigilant and we will be relentless. >> that was president obama just hours after u.s. officials a authenticated a video released by isis or isil showing the beheading of jim foley, kidnapped in syria nearly two years ago. in the video isis militants said foley's killing was retaliation for air strikes in iraq, strike that's began nearly two weeks ago. to that end u.s. war planes and drones launched 14 air strikes against isis targets today
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alone. british officials are examining whether the executer was a british citizen as they reported the militant as speaking in a british accent. while the government hasn't oipded the individual, it's looking increasingly likely that the man is a british citizen. joining me now is senior fellow on security policy in the middle east and south asia at the center and author of jihad joe, americans who go to war in the name of islam, let me start about u.s. calculation on this. there are reports that have not been verified by nbc news that there's another american photo journalist shown at the end of the same video and threats are made to his life if the u.s. continues its air strikes in the region. how do you think the white house sort of deals with this both what happened yesterday and the looming threat on the horizon
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against an american life? >> it deals with it by focusing on developing a new cohesive strategy to confront isil. this is a tragic situation. i think the president's words were appropriate today. i should also say that james foley and his family and particularly his mother's statement common strapted with strength and dignity what his life was all about. for the policy question, i think everything that president obama said was appropriate. secretary of state john kerry said we will confront isil and now i theink the test is how do we go about doing this? in iraq we're working with capable partners and willing to offer air strike and support to the kurdish. we should talk about the nature of the threat that isis represents but then also develop
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a much more cohesive and integrative strategy. it's both in iraq and syria and touches upon a broader region as well. >> jay, let's talk about how radical -- the growing movement, the radicalized movement of isis. you've said and told think progress, which brian is familiar with, everything about isis strategy over the last few months or islamic state strategy points to the design to draw the u.s. into a military confrontation on the ground. my question is, given u.s. capabilities, i mean, is isis -- how does isis read the president's response today? it sounds and seems like air strikes will continue. >> well, you know, isis is the successor group to al qaeda in iraq which was born out of the first u.s. occupation of iraq. so you know, they see this in a couple of different prisms, as a
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fight that they want for idealogical reasons and see it as a fight that gives them credibility in the global jihadist movement and trying to negotiate a stronger position in the global jihadist movement. a lot of their messaging is aimed in their direction. they are really you know, whether it's a good idea or not, what they want to see is u.s. troops on the ground. and a lot of their messaging has been tried to be provocative and they are really trying to do an end run around kind of diplomacy and get the attention of the american people with the videos and graphic images they posted, which they often post to hash tags trending in the united states. >> brian, let me ask you about the reach of isis they have made use of social media. they are for a movement that seems to be rooted in the seventh century, become decidedly adept at using 21st century tools and in terms of
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recruitment, the idea that a british citizen may be behind the beheading. they've been reluctant to gt involved in air strikes in iraq and few boots on the ground but britain's role has been a humanitarian one. what if anything does that do to the uk position? >> it's not only the u.k. but other european countries that are known to have their citizen go and fight with isis. what we've seen in the last few weeks, last two weeks since the united states initiated air strikes has been an effort by france, britain and germany as well, to offer some support to at least the kurdish peshmerga in the north. the thing i would look for is the response from the region itself. clearly this atrocity that we've all seen over the last half day or so is a wake-up call.
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it exposes clearly the brutality of this group. it's a group that's born out of a particular region and this region, the middle east, also has to actually help us defeat this. the united states -- president obama and secretary kerry set out a clear marker but also talk about having clear partners to work with in defeating this threat. i think we have that in europe. but the question i have is in the middle east. will the middle eastern countries like saudi arabia step up. >> is there anything to be done inside syria? it's now so dangerous, you can't have reporters going over there. is there any hope that someone inside the country can be a partner to outside powers that are trying to eradicate the threat of isis? >> i think you would have to have a much more focused strategy that looks at different parts of the country. you have kurdish forces also in the northerneastern part of syria. there's been discussion about arming the moderate opposition
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in syria. if there's a will, there's a way. the main point is if other countries in the region, some of which like qatar or saudi arabia, may have individuals fund group like isis, there's only so much the united states can do without the cooperation of regional actors throwing their weight around and in some cases supporting extremist groups like isis. >> in terms of what can be done, you mentioned the use of hash tags and social media and internet to spread the message. journalists have been responding with #isis media blackout, how effective do you think that can be? >> it has some possibilities. i just wanted to speak to the regional issue. isis massacred 700 sunni tribes men in syria a couple of weeks ago. if we get a regional partner it's going to come for from that than an american being killed. to be hon echt, i don't know how
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much traction there is there. you can try to drown them out with a hash tag campaign or other campaigns. extremists are obsessed with the subject matter and stay on and tweeting long after americans lose interest in countering them because we have lives that have multiple dimensions to them where this is their entire life. it's very difficult to do that on the hash tag basis. >> thank you both for your time and thoughts, guys. >> thank you. >> coming up, gaza is burning, the latest broken cease fire in the middle east brings a new round of deadly rocket fire. details on that coming up next. there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare changes. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when healthcare becomes simpler. so let's do it.
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cease-fire yesterday. seven palestinians including a pregnant woman died in an early morning attack in central gaza. another set of air strikes killed the wife and infant son of hamas' top military member. israel reports more than 213 rockets have been fired from gaza since tuesday. according to the israeli defense forces nearly all of israel is under threat. the latest round of violence comes after nine days of quiet during which egypt sought to broker a cease-fire. hamas broke the agreement by firing rockets into southern israel on tuesday morning. this afternoon israeli prime minister netanyahu called the operation a continuous campaign. he added the struggle against terror lasts for years. if they fire, they will be hit back seven-fold. hamas spokesman sounded a similarly dire warning prime minister netanyahu had been given the choice between war and lull and selected war. netanyahu's government must get
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prepared for a battle that will be difficult and hard on the israelis. today marks the 44th day of the current conflict. just ahead, while officials try to calm the latest tensions in ferguson, those same officials continue to ignore many of the root causes of the unrest. i'll talk about the national urban league mark morial and michael steele about misrepresentation in missouri coming up next. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet?
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in addition to anger over the state investigation into michael brown's death, excessively militarized police presence, many questions are being raised by the political representation. >> you have a mayor that representing a majority african-american community and not only is he nonafrican-american but you have republican. and a 90% democratic area. yes, the people are looking for
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change and i think that change will come because they want to see more representation individuals that looks like this them. >> the mayor of ferguson, a town that is 67% black is a white republican who maintains there's no racial divide in the town he leads. >> there's not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. >> according to whom? is that your perspective? or do you believe that is the perspective of african-americans in your community? >> that is the perspective of all residents in our city. >> never mind that ferguson's black residents are the targets of 92% of police searches and 86% of car stops, that aside, representation in ferguson would seem to be a maj are problem. the town's police chief thomas jackson is white, five of ferguson's six city council members are white as are six of the seven school board members. a lot of focus remains on black voter turnout, underneath that concern is perhaps a problem with the timing of local election, timing that has had
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the effect of lowering minority turnout. missouri city council and school board elections are held in april rather in november. in the 2012 general, 54% of the black residents cast a ballot of the that figure dropped to 6% in the following year's municipal elections. this year turnout for the mayoral and city council elections was 12%. while ferguson is hardly alone in having election laws that suppress minority turnout, the difference between its laws and that of other states is that ferguson's appear to be the result of good intentions gone wrong. as "washington post" explains, 3/4 of american municipalities hold elections in odd years. a progressive era reform intended to shield municipality elections from the partisan politics of national contests but one that has shown to have a dramatic effect on reducing turnout. joining me now, former rnc chair, michael steele and
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president and ceo of national urban league, mark morial. we were talking about the segment began and you don't believe this is an issue of -- maybe i should let you explain. how much of an issue do you think the timing is? >> timing of municipal elections have always been sort of off-year type elections. first off, we're focusing on the party affiliation of the mayor. these are nonpartisan elections, he ran as a nonpartisan. that's really not an issue as well. >> party rate -- party what party you're in is not even on the ballot. >> that's right. >> in an effort to get away from partisan politics. >> the dynamics in this in a county is different than you see in a presidential cycle. a lot of municipalities as you noted, put these in the off years because they didn't want to get wrapped up into the national conversation. so turnout just like in an
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off-year election is typically lower than when you compare them to a presidential cycle, just by nature of the kind of election they are. they are voting for a county council or school board and so forth. >> hasn't ferguson proven that local officials really matter? >> yes. >> what's the downside of having all of it on the same ballot? >> there is no downside but i wouldn't want you to walk away thinking if you flipped it to the presidential cycle, that you're going to see this massive turnout relative to the an off-year election. it's a presidential so more people turn out but we've seen that right now. this congressional election cycle, the turnout would be much lower than it was for the 2012 presidential cycle because that's the ebb and flow of politics. >> there's been a lot of talk and we just had reverend sharpton on about black voter turnout and getting folks to the polls and registered. there's been some criticism that this is from the gop, that
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democrats is about elections and voting and participating in the selection of those people who represent you. number two, it is troubling that african-american voter turnout in the presidential cycle in ferguson exceeded 50% and then it dropped in the local elections all the way down to 6%. one of the things i would
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suggest is that i would think it's time to look at whether the interest of democracy is served with these off-year elections. and these off-year elections are designed to yield a lower voter turnout. many local communities have it and i think maybe we would be better served if people would go to the polls once or twice a year, all of the elections would be aligned and we could have big participation. when you have a 6% voter turnout, that's not democracy working best. >> chairman, let me ask you because marc morial makes a point this is changing the election times and having municipal elections elsewhere on the calendar or year is designed to rig -- a voter suppression mechanism. >> that's not true. those systems were designed largely by democrats because they control the ballot boxes. >> but in georgia, a republican legislature has changed the election day in august ta for the mayor and city council from
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november to july. in 2012, 75% of augusta's black residents voted in november, only 33% in the july primary. my question is, this is a republican legislature doing it and i would never be craven or kras. >> no. >> but how do you read that other than a strategy to encourage decline in black votes? >> on its face, that's what it looks like. i don't know what the thinking or the arguments that are made respective to that particular election cycle in georgia. i agree with you on the face with this particular case. if you're looking to move back in the poll, the numbers are showing you an effect, you need to take that into consideration. but i just reject given my years of doing this in politics, in places like washington, d.c. and prince georges county maryland, we have municipal elections. the local leadership decides on when they want those elections, not because they want to express the vote, not because they want
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to drive voters away but because they want to maximize the opportunity to have those local municipal elected officials and candidates be the focus and not get lost in the larger congressional race or the even larger presidential race. that's the origin of this. this is very little to do with expre suppressing people's votes. >> we also have to recognize -- this is a point an election in ferguson is not an election in washington, d.c., you're going to run expensive commercials. these small elections operate very differently and the issue is, what is best in the 21st century to confront and encourage greater participation in democracy? i think the other side of it is, there's no excuse alex, for the idea that only 17% of whites and 6% of blacks showed up in the
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ferguson municipal elections. i make no excuses about people -- >> that's not turnout. >> participating in the process, but i do think that we need to think about how we can improve, how we can strengthen and make democracy better. if you had full and complete participation, you wouldn't have a government in ferguson that doesn't match the makeup of the community and makeup of the population. and that's where the credibility comes from. that's where the problem is in ferguson. >> i will not argue with mark on that, that is exactly the final point. at the end of the day, you want as many people to participate as possible and that's not happening in ferguson and the result is 70% of white folks are not adequately represented by their government. >> and 67% of the county is not actually represent -- >> right. >> former rnc chairman michael steele and national urban league's marc morial, thank you both.
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>> thanks for having us. >> while the country focuses on ferguson, there has been a lot of major news elsewhere in the world. an update on all of the latest developments coming up just ahead. fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. so i get invited to quite a few family gatherings. heck, i saved judith here a fortune with discounts like safe driver, multi-car, paperless. you make a mighty fine missus, m'lady. i'm not saying mark's thrifty. let's just say, i saved him $519, and it certainly didn't go toward that ring. am i right? [ laughs ] [ dance music playing ] so visit today. i call this one "the robox."
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it is a weird time to be a potential republican presidential candidate. yesterday texas governor rick perry walked into a texas county
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courthouse and had his mugshot taken. >> there are important fundamental issues at stake and i will not allow this attack on our system of government to stand. [ cheers and applause ] >> i'm going to fight this injustice with every fiber of my being. and we will prevail! [ cheers and applause ] >> no glasses in the mugshot, glasses at the press conference. afterwards, governor perry did what anyone suspected of committing two felonies does, he got a cone. tweeted perry following the booking and then ice cream cone at sandy's, yolo. beyond having an excuse of having a scoop of what appears to be vanilla, specifically, a state grand jury accuses perry
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of illegally setting up a quid pro quo, demanding dorothy lend berg resign for her post. she had been arrested earlier in the year for drunk driving and the agency she ran, the public integrity unit served as a powerful democratic check on perry's administration. shady? looks like it but illegal? rick perry should does not seem to think it's illegal. yesterday perry's pac released a campaign style ad pushing back against the charges. >> the cry is growing for her to step down. >> should should resign. >> she has said she will not resign. governor perry vetoed funding of a specific group within the district attorney's office. >> i wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto. >> not letting a pesky indictment get in the way on friday, he'll travel to the early primary state of new hampshire where he's set to hold
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six events throughout the state then heads to south carolina for a gop fundraiser before making a court ordered appearance in texas next friday. joining me now is the ceo and editor in chief of the texas tribune, evan smith. is this actually a blessing? are these criminal charges actually a blessing in disguise for governor perry? >> i think people down here of two minds, not to run with the president with the word indicted following your name. >> or felony anywhere in the air. >> there are people that think having an indictment on trail is not a good thing. on other hand he eats it for lunch. he loves being attacked bipartisan democrats so he can tell the world i'm not going to let those partisan democrats get me. this gives him a narrative that plays very well to a primary base. he's emboldened by it and energized by it and this is a very good thing for him on some levels. it would only be good if he could photo shop president
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obama's head in the video. he has something to run on and run against, net-net. >> the thing -- the allegations against chris christie does has prompted a longer deeper dive into the perry administration. and so beyond just the criminal allegations, there is perry's history of cronyism and the fact that the public integrity unit was investigating him for other shade day deals. tell us about the governor's past? >> it's casa blan ka time, i'm shocked to think he's playing hard ball politics. for all 14 of his years in office he's played hardball politics. what he does in this case, played hardball politics. people who pronounce this indictment unworthy have not seen the evidence that the grapd jury has seen. nor have the democrats who called for perry's resignation seen the evidence. we simply do not know what the
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grand jury heard. we don't know whether this is something any more than perry playing hardball politics. a lot remains to be seen. >> we do know there's a history of using muscle, if you will to give people what they want or get what the governor's wants. there's a great piece in the new republic, he's at heart a political operator and striver who wielded many levers of power and that of his cronies and his cronies who donated $1.12 million to perry to get permission to build a radioactive disposal site in west texas, they have benefited under governor perry? >> and these allegations have followed governor perry throughout all 14 years, appointed every consequential person and a number had been contributors. this on some level politics. people say every single governor does this, any who get campaign
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contributions absolutely appoints some of those people to office. the fact is while the accusations have been there about governor perry, only now has there been some attempted legal action related to this. you can either say he's never done anything wrong or skated up to this point but 14 years without doing it. >> it is worth knowing as part of the criminal charges, governor perry is not allowed to carry a concealed weapon or buy ammo, which if anything hurts that -- >> coyotes everywhere, rejoice, he shot a coyote on the run. >> good day for coyotes, thanks for your time. >> thanks, alex. >> after the break, the latest on some of the other major breaking news today. details on all of that coming up next.
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where eric holder is expected to meet with the family of michael brown this afternoon here are stories happening elsewhere. the supreme court blocked gay and lesbian couples from marrying in the state of virginia. it puts on hold last month's federal court ruling which struck down the ban on gay marriage. if the supreme court had not intervened same sex couples in virginia would have been able to get married for first time in the state's history. today's stay is only temporary and high court is likely to take up the issue in the coming months. halfway across the world in the lie beer yan city, violent clashes broke out when young man began throwing rocks and breaking through barbed wire barricades, it was quarn teened this morning to stop the spread of the ebola virus. they have been trying to contain the virus for five months now. 1350 people have died of the virus in four different west
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african countries. "the ed show" is coming up next. >> good evening, americans, live from new york, let's get to work. ♪ >> not everybody is always happy with what's going on. >> the family is concerned about the grand jury process. >> clearly the eyes of the nation are on us. >> i'll be watching. >> i'm telling you we're going to make this neighborhood whole. >> we peaceful. we just want justice. >> not everybody is always happy with what's going on. >> we won't let it distract us. >> i know the pain that the brown family is going through right now. >> when justice is prevailed maybe they'll regain their trust. >> now is the time for an open and transparent process. >> all of the evidence will come in. >> not everybody is always happy


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